Sample from the book

Interview, Part 1 

‘To create a more peaceful and stable world’, is the desired commitment statement of Gregory Haye, Spirit

Guide. His earth life ended in 1723 in Higher Swatham, England, however, he has continually educated

himself throughout his time in the afterlife. He has trained himself to be the spokesperson for a group of

experts and scholars from all walks of life in spirit, who call themselves the White Cloud group. It was

Gregory and the White Cloud group who orchestrated this first ever meeting of the numerous Native Chiefs

in spirit, whose voices for the first time will be heard in this collection. What follows is Gregory Haye’s

discussion between the Chiefs in spirit and his medium and facilitator on earth. This group session was

originally planned to be a one-hour show but ended up being five one-hour shows.

These series of questions are a fulfilling wish to bring together multiple familiar native Chiefs and leaders

that humankind has known within our collective recent memory. In the words of Haye, ‘We may have missed

some and I believe some may refuse to come, that is of course their choice, but I am hoping the resulting

meeting may be offered to various native groups and admirers around the world, and to many native and

non-native hearts presently full of sadness who may benefit from such talks.’

For clarity, questions asked by the Facilitator, Author and emails read by Moderator are italicised. Chiefs’

appearances are titled, while answers given by each Chief are relayed by way of Gregory Haye through

the medium.  

 Chief Joseph Nez Pierce 

Have you anything that you can tell us about him, is he here tonight or have you met him, what do you know

that you can tell us about this person?

Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt or Hinmatóowyalahtqit , aka Chief Joseph or Young Joseph, lived from 1840 to

1904 and was the leader of the Wal-lam-wat-kain (Wallowa) band of Nez Perce, a Native American tribe.

Yes, Chief Joseph is here. I acknowledge, we all acknowledge the energy that is and remains to be and

still is Chief Joseph. Now Chief among Chiefs in fact, an energy of austere beauty is what I must recall, not

recall from ancient history past, but recall from the vision that we see before us. The reason why this is, is

because he was always a being who wanted peace, always only wanted peace. Many during his physical

life wanted to misalign him, particularly those of other castes (societal), of other natures, of other tribes,

moreover importantly those who were so against him and so afraid of him. Of the white settlers, people who

were arraigned against his people, saw him as a threat and continued to do so throughout his life. In many

respects, just the mere fact that he was kept away from his beloved homeland right up until his passing and

beyond that. As Chief Joseph was never buried within the place that he really loved and because of that,

and it is not that it has drawn sadness from him, but it was done as a signal to disempower those of his

tribe and people who loved him. It had everything however to do with his way with everyone that he met,

and they just simply could not abide it, saw it as a threat, and in this respect, there are many I understand

even now have a source of idealization over his passing and over his presence. In fact, one may look upon

Chief Joseph even without his finery and see that during his life he bore his true spirit.

OK, so you say that you see this vision in front of you, so is there anything that he wants to say? Is he glad

to be here? What does he feel about this situation?

He feels very saddened by the situation of all Indigenous Peoples, particularly those being threatened within

their lives, by the way that their environments are even now continuing to be eroded. He speaks often in

the spirit world of those of the Amazon Forest and of other native forests which are in effect the lifeblood of 

the planet yet continuing to be unreservedly raped and really decimated to the point of passing. That's like

a human having their own lungs whipped out for the sake of wanting to perhaps share in a drug called

greed. It's a sacrifice that only those of selfish minds make. Part of his impression is with all the great armies

of the world. Why do these nations not turn those great armies into protecting the world and its environment?

Why did they not use them for that instead of fighting one another? Is it not plausible for human beings to

see the threat they face, or is it in fact instead something that they refused to see, continuing in their

blindness?

I understand in his physical life Joseph was and still is a deeply spiritual thinker, as well as being someone

of goodness brought about, very instrumentally.  He tried to bring peace between different tribes, this is not

just about native people and white people, this is about the whole issue of racism, the whole issue of

language which he sees as decimating to the human heart and that of humankind. The point we must make

here on his behalf, is that even though his energy remains bright and for many of his own people remains

as a beacon of light for them, what human beings of all nature, of all characteristic colour or creed must

understand is that each is reliant on the other.

Of the Bible, to their own behaviour, if they in their wisdom cannot see wisdom for what it is, if they are

blinded by their own selfish state, it is a matter for others to show them, to mirror that selfishness, so they

can see it, hold it up to the light, so that it can be acknowledged, without that acknowledgement humanity

fails in itself and all is lost.

So, he's obviously still working somehow on behalf of his people.

Yes, I understand so, but in a sense still retains and remains as a deeply thinking spiritual person. He's not

a leader by choice really, but because his vision is so pure and remains so still.

Before we move on from Chief Joseph is there anything else that he wants to say? You know it almost

seems rude to move on to somebody else so quickly, but would he like to add anything else?

I understand that there are still many issues between people of his own land, even issues over rights of

water, which are still belittling human state. Pollution on rights of water, in order so that others may not drink

from the pure crystal waters of the mountain, these are still difficult times for those who choose a simple

nomadic life. Particularly for those not of his own native tribe, but those of the Oglala Sioux, the Dakotas,

the Lakota and of the various encampment of the Blood and others of Blackfoot and Blackfeet, of the

Chippea and Choctaw. Also, of many other peoples, particularly of the Amazon Forest who are still belittled

and wish to try to save their own resource and habitat, for they recognize the sacredness of their task. Even

these little waters, that are the blood of the earth and the way in which humanity may survive, they can

stand as a barometer of what human state still contends to. These are very important times, and he

maintains that there are, but a few years left to make the changes necessary.  In five years, it will be too

late (dictated in 2009). Chief Joseph says that four acres of rainforest disappears every second of every

day. 

Note:

We Are the Earth People – Do Not Forget us!

In 2009, a one-hour session had occurred with Spirit Guide, Gregory Haye, speaking through a UK deep

trance medium and his facilitator. However, at the time of writing, this medium would like to remain

anonymous due to health concerns. In 2009, he was easily the best deep trance medium in the world by

far. The topic of discussion was to be a series of questions put forward to famous American Native Chiefs

from the last two centuries or so. The first session went so well as so many Chiefs arrived in spirit that the

anticipated hour session evolved into a series of five one-hour sessions. In 2022, the contents of the MP3

files were transcribed into the written word and with some editing for clarity, is now being offered as this

book. 

There was no compensation for this work, and in fact any proceeds from this volume will go to the medium,

who is now advancing in age. The Chiefs were hoping that in one way, or another the content of these talks

would somehow reach the deprived, sickened and neglected Native Americans still living on earth. The

lasting message from the Chiefs was “Move on but do not forget us!” If the following content helps even

one native tribe cope with life’s trials, and tribulations on earth, then this venture will have been all

worthwhile.

The following people speak to Gregory either directly or indirectly through someone listed below on their

behalf:  Chief Joseph, Geronimo, Crazy Horse, Cochise, Dull Knife, Gall, Plenty Coups, Red Cloud, Sitting

Bull, Thun Li Ho, Who Fell Off His Horse, Tall Trees, Kicking Bear, American Horse, Spotted Tail, Red Dog

Fox, Black Elk, Little Wolf, Broken Wing, Tecumseh, Sasquatch and Faeries (Fairies).

Martin J. Shutt

March 2023